[Cyprinodontiformes] Projecto Internacional de Goodeiídeos (12)

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Prezados colegas,

No seguimento das onze anteriores mensagens sobre este assunto, aqui fica o
registo da continuação do diálogo até aqui desenvolvido, excluindo-se
evidentemente muitas dos " e-mails " trocados entre estes participantes,
fora de um contexto específico relacionado com este assunto.
Hoje reproduzem-se duas reacções à mensagem dada a conhecer em Projecto
Internacional de Goodeiídeos (9) e a entrada de um novo membro na lista.
Nunca é demais alertar-vos para o facto de que, dentro das disponibilidades
de tempo livre, será sempre possível fazer-se alguma tradução se necessário.



-----Mensagem original-----
De: Colin Grist 
Enviada: segunda-feira, 5 de Janeiro de 2009 13:58
Para: Michael Koeck; Ivan Dibble; Martin Ravn Tversted; Joel Healy; Miguel
Andrade; Colin Grist; Omar Dominguez; Brian Zimmerman; Miguel Zapater; Matt
Naumann; Alain Grioche; Gasper Gomboc; Guenther Schleussner; Gunter
Teichmann; Guenter-Ellenberg; Horváth Balázs; Kleine Horst; Harro
Hieronimus; Anton Weissenbacher; Dietmar Kunath; Erwin Radax; Patrick C.
Schmitz; Roman Slaboch; Kees de Jong; Stefan Hertwig; Jen Nightingale, Jonny
Rudd, Alessio Arbuiatti 
Assunto: RE: Michael Koeck's idea - more developments

Dear All,
It is great to see new input from Martin and Harro. I have had a request to
join this discussion from an enthusiast in Italy. His name is Alessio
Arbuatti. A copy of his e-mail is attached for you all to read. I hope
no-one has any objections to adding new colleagues.

If Omar is reading this, perhaps he will be able to answer the questions
about Hubbsina turneri in the last couple of e-mails to the group. Omar has
had quite extensive experience in Zacapu and the lake's inhabitants.

One thing that will be interesting and useful is to know what species each
person is working with, where they originated from (if known) and the
approximate numbers being held. If you all have some time to e-mail the
group with your list, that would be very good. Alessio has included this
information in his attached letter. Brian Z and I have already posted our
lists previously.

Best regards,
Colin

Colin Grist
Aquarium Projects Coordinator
North of England Zoological Society
Chester Zoo, UK
Tel: +44 (0) 1244 389 722
www.chesterzoo.org
 
Moderator: NAW & Syngnathidae Listserves


De: Omar Dominguez
Enviada: terça-feira, 6 de Janeiro de 2009 05:45
Para: Michael Koeck; Ivan Dibble; Martin Ravn Tversted; Joel Healy; Miguel
Andrade; Colin Grist; Omar Dominguez; Brian Zimmerman; Miguel Zapater; Matt
Naumann; Alain Grioche; Gasper Gomboc; Guenther Schleussner; Gunter
Teichmann; Guenter-Ellenberg; Horváth Balázs; Kleine Horst; Harro
Hieronimus; Anton Weissenbacher; Dietmar Kunath; Erwin Radax; Patrick C.
Schmitz; Roman Slaboch; Kees de Jong; Stefan Hertwig; Jen Nightingale, Jonny
Rudd, Alessio Arbuiatti
Assunto: [Provavel SPAM] "RE:RE: Michael Koeck's idea - more developments"

HELLO TO AL SORRY FOR MY LONG AUSENE AND Y BAD ENGLISH, I HOPPE ALL OF YOU
CAN FOLLOW MY INTERVENTION IN THI DISCUSION AS MOST OF YU KNOW WE ARE
WORKING WITH A LIVE COLECTION OF NATIVE FISH ENDANGERED OF EXTINTION FROM
CENTRAL MEXICO (MAINLY GPPDEIDS) WE HAVE MOST (90%) OF THE SPECIES OF
GOODEIDS IN THE FISH ARK PROJECT IN MORELIA (PROJECT TAHT IVAN AND COLIN
ALREADY EXPLAIN HOW START), AND PROJECT THAT HAVE BEEN SUPORTED FOR MOST OF
THE LIVEBEARING ORGANIZATION IN EUROPA AND NORTH AMERICA. 
ALL THIS SUPPORT AND THE SUPPORT OF THE CHESTER ZOO PAYING A TECHNICIAN FOR
THE LAB WE MAINTAIN THIS FISH SPECIES SINCE 1998. 
THE TECHNICIAN IS A GREAT HELP SINCE WE HAVE 130 TANKS WITH AVERAGE OF 120
LITERS AND 25 CONCRETE TANK, PLUS LIVE FOOD PRODUCTION.
THE LAST YEAR POECILIA SCANDINAVIA PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT TO. SO
NOW WE ARE BIGGER AND STRONG THAT BEFFOR THANK OF THE SUPPORT OF THE HOBBY
ORGANIZATION. 
AS THE PROJECT OF MORELIA IS SUPPORTED FOR ALL OF YOU, THIS PROJECT CAN HELP
IN ALL THAT ALL OF YOU TGHINK THAT WE CAN HELP, WE HAVE JUVENILES FOR MOST
OF THE SPECIES AND WE HAVE EXPERIENCE IN MAINTAIN MOST OF THE SPECIES. ANY
PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO WORK WHITH A CONSERVATION PURPOSE WITH
GOODEIDS IS WELCOME IN MORELIA, SO ALL OF YOU (I THINK) IS WELCOME TO
MORELIA NAD WELCOME TO ASK ANITHYNK THAT YOU THINK WE CAN HELP.
SINCE I HAVE SOME RESERCH PROJECT, STUDENTS, AND OTHER WORKS IN THE
UNIVERSITY I DONTHAVE MUCH TIME FOR READ ALL THE MAILS, BUT I WILL TRY TO BE
IN CVONTACT AS MUCH AS I CAN IF YOU HAVE SOME QUESTION OR THINK TO TRY WITH
US, PLEASE SAY IN THE SUBJECT ANS I WILLTRY TO ASK THIS MAILS FIRST. 
ABOUT THE G. IRENEAE OR HUBBSINA, FOR US G. IRENEA IS A SINONIMY OF
HUBBSINA, IN OTHER WORDS, G. IRENEA IS NOT A VALID DESCRIPTION, FOR US.
SOME STUDENTS IN THE UNIVERSITY MADE A EXTENSIVE RESECH USING A LOT OF
ORGANISMS OF HUBBSINA FROM ZACAU AND CUITZEO (COLLECTION SPECIMENS), HE USE
A IMPORTAN STATISTICS TOOLS AND A LOT OF TAXONOMIC, IOLOGICAL, BEHAVIOUR
DATA AND HIS RESULTS INDICATES THAT THE HUBBSINA FROM ZACAPU AND CUITZEO IS
THE SAME SPECIES, THIS IS ONLY MY PERSONAL OIPPINION, BUT IS TRUE THAT G.
IRENEA IS ALREADY DESCRIBED AND IS VALID SPECIES UNTIL SOME OFICIAL
PUBLICATION CAN SAY THE OPOSITE.
I LIKE TO INFROMED ALL OF YOU THAT WE ARE WORKING NO ONLY IN EXITU
CONSERVATIO PROGRAM (MAINTAININ MORE THAN 700 FISHES IN CAPTIVITY), WE ARE
WORKIN IN INSITU CONSERVATION PROGRAMS TO, THE ZACAPU LAKE IS AN
OFICIALPROTCTED AREA AND WE MADE THE MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE AREA, NOW WE
ARE LOKIN FOR ECONOMIC ALTERNATIVES FOR THE FISHREMANS AS A CONSERVATION
TOOL. LA MINTZITA IS NOW A CONSERVATION AREA AND WE MADE THE MANAGEMENT PLAN
TO, NOW WE ARE WORKING IN THE  LEGISLATION FOR THAT SPECIFIC AREA, SINCE IS
OF GREAT INTEREST FOR THE MORELIA MUNICIPALITY. THIS YEAR (2009) WE WILL
WORK WITH THE GOVERMENT (EMVIRONMENTAL MINISTERY) TO TRY TO DECLARE AT LEAST
3 NEW AREAS FOR CONSERVATION OF FISH DIVERSITY (THIS START THIS YEAR AND IF
IS SUCCESFULL MAYBE IN 2012 WE HAVE THE NEW AREAS).
WE WILL WORK (I THINK) IN THE REINTRODUCTION PROJECT FOR Z. TEQUILA THAT
IVAN EXPLAIN BEFORE.
SO I THINK WE ARE WALKING IN THE CORRECT WAY AND WE LIKE TO CONTINU WORKING
IN THIS WAY, SO WE ARE PART OF THE CIENTIFICS THAT THINK THAT THE HOBBY IS
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ORGANIZATION/PEOPLE THAT HELP IN THE CONSERVATION
OF FISH SPECIES. OF CURSE SOME OTHERS CAN HAVE NEGATIV EFECT, BUT IN GENERAL
IS IMPORTANT THAT THE HOBBY CONTINUE WORKING IN THIS AND ALWAYS THINK THAT
PEOLPE IN THE FIELD IS WORKING IN THIS.
I WE WORK TOGETHER WE CAN MADE MORE FOR THE OCNSERVATION THAT ISOLATED
EFFORTS.
ALL THE BEST FOR ALL OF YOU IN 2009 AND BEST WISHES

OMAR